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111Balz
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What's this?
As I said below, every tax credit. The argument you and palmyra
are trying to make is exactly the kind of vortex to stupidity that RQ described.
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Whataboutism....
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There are plenty in middle class that will get cuts.
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You and Obama showed us debt clearly is not an issue **
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Speaking of Obama...whatever became of these? (link)
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Apparently the Secret Service still has them.
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What should happen in a tax cut is a matter of debate...
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Beerman
12/13/2017 3:04PM
A few will pay a little more in taxes ..... Hahaha
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12/13/2017 3:01PM
My tax rate will not double in seven years...my Healthcare did **
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Tuckahokie
12/13/2017 3:05PM
This bill crushes the middle class investor
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PalmyraHoo
12/13/2017 3:32PM
I don't like the provision as I own a lot of individual stocks vs. mutual
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 5:18PM
Like depreciation, in the long run it ultimately makes little difference
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 5:54PM
Yeah, I agree with all of that. Hence my question, "does this
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 5:56PM
Boca, old chap, how dare you accuse me of being inconveniently gimmicky!
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PalmyraHoo
12/13/2017 8:03PM
Not that I can see in the long run, or any class for that matter.Just can't
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 6:05PM
How do you define "middle class investor" **
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 3:57PM
See MassHole's article below. This is a big issue IMO **
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HoosGuy
12/13/2017 4:10PM
A big issue not getting anywhere near enough coverage.
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PalmyraHoo
12/13/2017 4:17PM
Sad **
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WaxHoo
12/13/2017 2:57PM
The new Senate stock sales FIFO rules will hurt investors
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MassHoleHoo
12/13/2017 2:25PM
What can go wrong when one political party
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walkthecorner
12/13/2017 2:03PM
Without reading it... **
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81_Hokie
12/13/2017 2:42PM
Re: GOP expanding tax cuts for wealthy (that headline will galvanize support
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Beerman
12/13/2017 1:41PM
It's what their middle and lower class voters want, for some reason. **
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hokeyhokie
12/13/2017 1:32PM
Even the fly-over dullards realize that they were never hired by a poor man **
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Tuckahokie
12/13/2017 1:45PM
Anyone who believes in supply side economics is in fact a dullard.
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WahooRQ
12/13/2017 2:35PM
Does this sound familiar?
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Seattle .Hoo
12/13/2017 2:03PM
Govt shouldn’t legislate to make anyone prosperous
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TomKazanski
12/13/2017 2:11PM
Gov't legislation doesn't make people prosperous. **
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 4:06PM
What a goofy statement. Of course it can, and often has. **
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WahooRQ
12/13/2017 4:24PM
Get ready. Here come the Libertarian rabbit-hole questions. ;) **
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Seattle .Hoo
12/13/2017 4:25PM
If legislation can create prosperity, why does poverty still exist?
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 6:04PM
If we give everyone a home we could end homelessness
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PalmyraHoo
12/13/2017 9:05PM
Precisely my point. **
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 9:07PM
So Beavis AND Butthead are in agreement . Bravo **
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111Balz
12/13/2017 10:40PM
So, Ace, why not give an example of gov’t legislation
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Hokie5150
12/14/2017 05:25AM
As I said below, every tax credit. The argument you and palmyra
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111Balz
12/14/2017 07:51AM
You have an extremely odd definition of "prosperity". **
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Hokie5150
12/14/2017 08:03AM
He is too busy searching for Blanket and Armpit
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PalmyraHoo
12/14/2017 07:41AM
Yeah, best to avoid the vortex of stupid in general, but this one was just
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WahooRQ
12/13/2017 4:45PM
Such as what legislation made people prosperous? **
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 4:28PM
That which required RQ's past employment? Plenty getting
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 4:49PM
Even then, it wasn't the legislation that made him prosperous. The
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 4:58PM
Well, by that definition any gov't handout program would qualify. It may
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 5:07PM
I suppose...if one considers eking out a living to be "prosperity". **
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 5:48PM
In theory any tax credit granted to an industry is making an investment
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111Balz
12/13/2017 5:31PM
The 13th Amendment especially didn't make anyone more prosperous. **
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WahooRQ
12/13/2017 5:04PM
It didn't. In theory, it gave people the opportunity to seek
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 5:07PM
LOL, can always count on you to dig your heels in on the world's dumbest
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WahooRQ
12/13/2017 5:09PM
Just as I can always count on you to never address the point being made. **
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Hokie5150
12/13/2017 5:51PM
Haha! You KNEW it was going to happen! **
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Seattle .Hoo
12/13/2017 5:19PM
Government provides the structure and environment to make them prosperous.
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Seattle .Hoo
12/13/2017 2:17PM
The Iceman only drives on roads he built himself.
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HowieT3
12/13/2017 3:25PM
What makes them dullards isn't that.
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Beerman
12/13/2017 1:52PM
The high corporate tax rate might be why a US company that
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 2:04PM
Only fools actually believe the companies pay taxes, when in fact
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QBSacker
12/13/2017 3:53PM
Apple doesn't pay taxes because of something other than that though, right?
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southdenverhoo
12/13/2017 10:34PM
The point is that the money never comes from Apple, it comes from YOU
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QBSacker
12/14/2017 12:21PM
That's pretty much simplistic nonsense. Apple doesn't unilaterally
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WahooRQ
12/14/2017 1:27PM
You're talking about pricing, I'm talking about the real source of
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QBSacker
12/14/2017 1:35PM
Well if you're not talking about pricing, what do you suppose is being
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WahooRQ
12/14/2017 1:38PM
Evidently you think corporate taxes are paid out of something other
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QBSacker
12/14/2017 1:46PM
You stopped making sense four posts ago, so maybe I'll just leave it at
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WahooRQ
12/14/2017 1:53PM
You keep obfuscating the truth about corporate taxes by tying that into
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QBSacker
12/14/2017 1:56PM
You are the one who keeps claiming that corporate taxes are passed on
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WahooRQ
12/14/2017 2:04PM
Thank you. Amazing how clueless or disingenuous folks are on this simple
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 4:11PM
The rate is comparatively high, but after tax breaks what they pay isn't **
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hokeyhokie
12/13/2017 2:13PM
The "breaks" you reference is primarily them avoiding the high US tax
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 2:21PM
No, the breaks are built in to appear they pay a lot but they really don't **
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hokeyhokie
12/13/2017 2:31PM
Which breaks are those? **
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 2:32PM
All of them **
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hokeyhokie
12/13/2017 2:44PM
No, Seriously. Which tax breaks are companies taking advantage of to
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 2:52PM
I don't get your angle. There are lots of them. Check out irs.gov **
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hokeyhokie
12/13/2017 2:57PM
So you have no answer, you sound bite spouting shit bag. **
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Generic
12/13/2017 11:03PM
My angle is a lot of people put "accelerated depreciation"
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 3:13PM
Depreciation (here we go ) reduces taxable income. If one believes
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111Balz
12/13/2017 3:38PM
Right but that's purely timing differences. If you purchase
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 4:15PM
Yes...there is a time value of money from deferring taxes to a latter
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111Balz
12/13/2017 5:25PM
I agree, but to HokeyHokie's point that companies pay less than the
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 5:31PM
Well it could, depending on how it times successive capital
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111Balz
12/13/2017 5:37PM
Right, but EVENTUALLY it evens out. **
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 5:39PM
So GOVCO is a better steward of a person's income than is the person? **
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Tuckahokie
12/13/2017 1:55PM
Different issue
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Beerman
12/13/2017 1:58PM
The cutting of the tax rates is for....
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Freddyburg Hokie
12/13/2017 2:28PM
Yes. Of course. **
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Beerman
12/13/2017 2:34PM
Just curious do you call the gruberites
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TomKazanski
12/13/2017 2:19PM
We're gonna need to organize an intervention for use of
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wahoo138
12/13/2017 2:45PM
You know that quote you love to drop was candidate Obama in June 2008, no?
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WahooRQ
12/13/2017 2:40PM
You will also note
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Beerman
12/13/2017 2:33PM
I am generally against the notion of government health care
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Beerman
12/13/2017 2:32PM
You didn’t answer my question
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TomKazanski
12/13/2017 2:53PM
Dullards?
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Beerman
12/13/2017 3:02PM
They also realize none of the rich man's tax savings is coming down to them
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WaxHoo
12/13/2017 1:49PM
Maybe they also realize the rich man is still paying
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 1:56PM
+12.4% (both EE & ER share) for S.S. up to the cap. **
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 4:07PM
Yeah,but I'm assuming the "rich man" long stopped paying that on
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 4:17PM
Understand, but they still pay it up to the $112K or whatever the cap is. I
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 4:28PM
O, the humanity **
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WaxHoo
12/13/2017 2:12PM
Sorry, but the federal government taking 40% of someone's
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BocaHoo91
12/13/2017 2:22PM
I don't like it any more than you do (I'm in that bracket)
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WaxHoo
12/13/2017 2:27PM
No you're not, you unhinged asshole. You're a psycho...
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Generic
12/13/2017 11:12PM
Wow. Back on your meds, pronto. The guys in the white coats are coming
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WaxHoo
12/14/2017 10:38AM
The only fraudulent representation is from those claiming this screws the
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Hoodafan
12/13/2017 4:14PM
The rich man got rich by hiding his money under the mattress **
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Tuckahokie
12/13/2017 1:52PM
One word: Kansas **
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WaxHoo
12/13/2017 1:54PM
Kansas took the reduction too far...as did Connecticut in the other directi **
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Tuckahokie
12/13/2017 1:58PM
While the DC morons aren't? **
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WaxHoo
12/13/2017 2:14PM
Trump told them it's a cut
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Beerman
12/13/2017 1:43PM
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